Mod: GR STI Front Knuckles on a GD WRX

This modification was mostly inspired by the 22B owners looking for a better bearing solution for their Subies. In 2008, Subaru switched to a bolt-in bearing for their front 5×100 hubs. To make this work for earlier models, an 8mm CV spacer is needed between the axle and the hub.

Since I plan on going with 5×114.3 eventually, I decided go with a set GR STi knuckles that I found for pretty cheap. GD STi parts are getting expensive so finding compatible parts is becoming more helpful.

GR STi Front Knuckles and Hubs

Comparing the GR STi knuckle to the GD WRX there are a few changes. The most obvious is the bolt-in bearing (the bolts were removed for another comparison) vs the press-in bearing. The strut mount is wider and taller on the GR STi and the tie rod arm seems shorter and a bit lower on the GR STi. Although that could be the difference between the space the bolt-in hub takes up now. And there is a big section of cast iron between the caliper mounts on the GR knuckle as well. I’m not sure what that added material is for (probably added strength) but it interfered with my Evo Brembos. I thought about cutting it off but I when with some reman STi Brembos instead.

If the tie rod arms are shorter then that should improve the steering rate. The closer the tie rods are to the pivot point (SAI) the quicker the knuckles should turn at the cost of heavier steering.

5×114.3 v 5×100 Bolt-In Bearings

One thing that surprised me what the physical difference between the bolt in 5×100 and 5×114.3 bearings. I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised but the 5×100 hubs look really small in comparison.

Unfortunately, the bolt pattern is slightly different so they aren’t interchangeable; at least not without some machining.

The shot below really shows the difference between the two hubs.

Subaru front suspension has remained relatively unchanged since at least the 1990s. It depends on what hub bolt pattern you have. So upgrading your front suspension is doable as long as your struts, brakes, and axles will work together.

For bolt-in 5×100 bearings, the front cv axles are the problem. The GD splines stop at around 8mm before the face of the cv joint.

As a result, the axle will not full seat on 5×100 bolt-in bearings.

The 5×100 bearing splines also start sooner…

Whereas the 5×114.3 bearings have more of a recess before the splines.

So to fix this issue, people have been making 8mm cv spacers to take up the gap.

Image Source: bbs.22b.com user “GF8 Sti” [link]

GR axles do not have that space between the splines and the cv joint face, and if have a transmission that doesn’t use axle stubs then GR axles might be an option. Conversely, if you have axle stubs, then you can either convert to 5×114.3; use 8mm spacers; pull the stubs out (requires splitting the transmission), or potentially making hybrid axles with either GD trans ends on GR axles or GR hub ends on GD axles.

This is one reason I made the CV axle table. Subaru’s are legos but finding the right pieces can sometimes be a nightmare when you need to make custom parts. Considering how inconsistent the shaft splines are, you have to take the axles apart to verify, I decided to run GR knuckles and keep my stock axles.

The install is straightforward. Although if you have ABS I’m not sure what needs to be done to keep it. I deleted my ABS some time ago.

Also, in case you are wondering, the GR STi knuckles are heavier: 14.5 lbs v 19.3 lbs.

The next update will probably be my new wheels.

Cheers!

15 responses to “Mod: GR STI Front Knuckles on a GD WRX”

  1. What’s the strut solution? GR struts I assume or coilovers?

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    1. I’m still running GD STi struts/RCE Yellows from my old 2005 STi.

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  2. One question, did the steering angle change?

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    1. In terms of alignement, they may have changed a little bit but I don’t remember.

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  3. pleasantdestiny49eb8ed088 Avatar
    pleasantdestiny49eb8ed088

    Hello, how can I contact you? I need to ask you a question, to see how the ABD spline looks once mounted on the knuckle with the 5×100 bearing and the 8 spacer, to see if I could adapt the ABS sensor.

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  4. My email is chipioo@hotmail.com. I have several questions, have you had to remove the knurled ring from the ABS tip, or is it left outside, in order to be able to attach the sensor?

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    1. Howdy! I’m not sure how helpful I can be as I never used the ABS setup with the 5×100 bolt-on hubs. In fact, I switched to 5×114.3 hubs/knuckles up front and I deleted my ABS setup years ago. My guess is that you will need an ABS ring spacer (and maybe a spacer for the sensor) to get things to line up properly. LIC Motorsport used to make the ring spacers, but they went out of business awhile ago. And it looks like the 22b forum I referenced is gone. Also, I don’t have a 5×100 bolt-on hub front knuckle to reference either. Unfortunately, they are different knuckles.

      There is more info on the swap here.
      https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45926789#post45926789

      Hopefully, that helps!

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      1. thank you so much

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  5. JARED S TREADWAY Avatar
    JARED S TREADWAY

    Would you happen to know if the 08+ knuckles for the 5×100 would work with 2nd Gen Forester(SG) struts? Would the GD style control arms be compatible with the knuckle change?

    Thank You,

    -Jared

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    1. I’m not familiar with the SG chassis, although Subaru doesn’t change much between their chassis. The knuckle design is more or less the same between most models. The big change is in the front lca rear mount. GDs are horizontal and GRs are vertical. The other issue is the ABS sensor. I’m not sure what’s compatible with what since I deleted my ABS system.

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  6. came here to say you don’t need to split the trans to yoink the stubs out. get a fastener that fits inside where the roll pin can sit, and then use a puller on the fastener. you can also wrap the bejesus out of the stub with some shop rags, and clamp a vise-grip slide hammer to it. ez. once the first stub is out, stick a long drive through the hole (assuming it’s open in the front) to pop the other one out – otherwise, use the same technique as the first one.

    anyways, glad i came across this thread, was wanting to see how simple it would be to convert, seems not too bad. that being said, do you happen to have a measurement of the tie rod pick-up placement is in relation to the centre of the hub? just from looking at the pictures, it looks like the GD arm sticks out a bit further than the GR does. also looks like it would end up mounting lower, and would need a bump-steer correction kit or heim end of some kind to make up for the awkward geometry introduced.

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    1. Thanks for the info!

      I took some quick measurements. The distance from the tie rod to the center of the hub is the same on both knuckles. I think the bolt-on hub makes the tie rod arm look shorter on the GRs. The steering ratio should be the same. I am actually thinking about moving the pickup point by about 10mm to get a 12:1 ratio. I haven’t figured out what method I am going to use yet.

      The tie rod heights are different. The GRs are about 15mm lower than the GDs. The ball joint mount on the GRs is about 5mm lower compared to the GDs. If you are already lowered, then this change might be helpful. I am running a WL RCK with these knuckles, which add another 10mm change to each.

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      1. ahhh okay, so not very different, at least, in length. However the height does play a role. My GD is actually RWD converted, so I was seeing about doing a pseudo drop knuckle, and the GR front knuckle fit the bill for 3 reasons – I can retain my 5×100 (and my FHI 4 pots), ditch the outer cv sandwich to the bearing, and allows for my lower car to make use of the dropped locations. I will also likely modify the pick up points further, cutting, relocating, welding, etc.

        im interested in the WL RCK you mentioned, I’m not sure what that stands for.

        appreciate your reply 🙂

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      2. Gotcha. My GR measurements are for the STI. The GR WRX knuckle might be different. Idk.

        FYI, the bolt-in hubs still need the outer CV joint to keep everything together. I messed up a couple of hubs when my axle nut backed off. I’ve seen people machine the CV cup down to just a flange.

        How do you like the RWD conversion? You may be able to run more caster and anti-ackerman.

        WL RCK = Whiteline Roll Center Kit

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      3. so the GR knuckles are gonna be the same across the board for the most part, other than the STi knuckles being slightly beefier. The front knuckles can accommodate an FRS/BRZ bolt-in hub and bearing assembly, which keeps the PCD, and almost identical depth. With the measuring and mock up I’ve done, everything will go back, less a mm or so, so the only thing I need is to make 1mm spacers to go between the caliper and knuckle. 4 pot Sti brembo calipers all mount the same 2004+ (whether it’s WRX or STI, doesn’t matter), and the FHI 4 pots use the same bolt spacing. It’ll essentially all be plug and play for the most part.

        RWD is great fun, it’s my first Subaru, coming from a chassis and Toyota x chassis, so it’s a venture I find fun, albeit the steering set up is quite terrible, and probably one of the only few cars I’ve ever owned that absolutely needs that front end work.

        Thanks for the clarification!

        I hope my tid it up there was helpful in some way. These cars are like lego lol

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